125 In the Forest of the Night

This is the one where the Doctor and Clara save the day by doing absolutely nothing. The trees save us with an airbag.  

Live from Master Closet Studios, you’re listening to the only podcast on the internet recording in the forest: It’s the Noobs and the Whovian! 

This is the podcast that introduces a whole new generation to Doctor Who by watching an episode each week and discussing it from the perspective of a dad who’s seen it before, and two sons who haven’t.

Welcome to Episode 125 covering the Series 8 episode 10: In the Forest of the Night.

Production notes

  • Story # 251
  • Originally aired October 25 to 6.29 million viewers 
  • Written by: Frank Cottrell Boyce
  • Directed by: Sheree Folkson

Misc Trivia 

  • The title comes from William Blake’s The Tyger

Tyger Tyger, burning bright, 
In the forests of the night
What immortal hand or eye, 
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies. 
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, & what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain, 
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp, 
Dare its deadly terrors clasp! 

When the stars threw down their spears 
And water’d heaven with their tears: 
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?

Tyger Tyger burning bright, 
In the forests of the night: 
What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

William Blake, The Tyger
  • In the scene where there’s a bus visible in the forest, there’s actually an ad for Series 8 of Doctor Who with Twelve and Clara on it. 
    • It might be easy to write this off as a small mistake, but it’s a cardboard cutout that they placed in the forest!
    • You can see it in pics on this blog I found while googling it:

Cast

  • Maebh Arden – Abigail Eames
    • Her sister, Daniella Eames, played the creepy spoon-headed girl on the stairs that uploaded Clara in The Bells of St. John
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Checklist

  • Name of the episode spoken in dialogue?
  • Creature of the week
    • The Trees of Earth?
    • The Thoughts?
  • Stuff the Doctor loves
  • Jiggery Pokery
    • Sonic
      • It interacts with any form of communication you care to mention. Sadly, trees don’t communicate.
        • To communicate through the network, trees send chemical, hormonal and slow-pulsing electrical signals, which scientists are just beginning to decipher.
    • TARDIS 
      • When you drink a can of coke, it’s only this big, but it’s got THIS much sugar in it. It works about like this.
      • One of the drawbacks of being the last of your species: no one to ask when your TARDIS won’t start

Other stuff we noticed 

  • Rapid afforestation
  • I thought you said they were in love, why are they shouting at each other? That’s what people do when they’re in love, don’t you know anything?
  • Catastrophes are the metabolism of the universe

Who’s Who?

  • Who is Danny Pink? 
    • He goes into soldier/teacher mode during the crisis
  • Who is Clara?
    • She goes into companion mode during crisis
    • She doesn’t want to be the last of her kind
  • Who is the Doctor?
    • Everyone, this is the Doctor. Wait…. Isn’t he the Caretaker
    • He looks VERY concerned about all these kids in the TARDIS
    • I can fight monsters, I can’t fight physics!
    • I am Doctor Idiot!
    • It’s a human superpower, forgetting. If you remembered how everything felt, you’d’ve stopped having wars, stopped having babies.

Can we talk about the Tunguska Incident?

Classic Who Connection

  • We’ve seen the Doctor talk about humans knack to forget major events, especially extraterrestrial events a few times in New Who. I only know of this happening once in Classic who. That was in the serial Remembrance of the Daleks with the Seventh Doctor but at that point he called it the “capacity for self-deception”.
  • Solar flares have threatened the Earth in many Classic Who serials. With the First Doctor we have The Ark. With the Fourth Doctor we have The Ark in Space. With the Sixth Doctor we have The Mysterious Planet but that was after the Time Lords had relocated them. 
  • Both Ark episodes were similar concepts that mirror what the Doctor wanted to do with the TARDIS. Escape the imminent destruction of Earth.
  • There’s a bus in this episode that advertises season 8 of Doctor Who. The serial Remembrance of the Daleks was set on the same day the Doctor Who TV movie premiered. there was a TV in the background that was introducing a “new science fiction adventure, Doc-“. It cut out before finishing the sentence.
  • The past solar flares referenced were not from Classic Who.

Overall impressions

  • Overall rating out of 10 – 
    • Jared – 7 earth airbags
    • Austin – 7.5 Tunguskas
    • Corbin – 7 girls hiding in bushes
    • Tripp –  8 invincible trees
  • Creep Level – out of 500
    • Jared – 75
    • Austin – 22
    • Corbin – 20
    • Tripp –  20

Theories

  • Thoughts on Missy and Heaven?
    • We got a BRIEF glimpse of Missy holding an Ipad saying “Clara, my Clara. I chose well.”
    • New name! Afterlife, Promised Land. I prefer “Nethersphere.”
    • Corbin & Tripp – The Half-faced man didn’t actually die but was put into a new body of some kind. That’s not Heaven, though it could be the Promised Land. 
    • Tripp – Missy is NOT a robot, perhaps a creator.
    • Corbin – Missy is the bad guy. Missy is the lady in the shop. It’s not Heaven, it’s hell. Robots. 

Listener Input 

  • Christina has this feedback about our episode on Flatline! 
  1. The Doctor ends up naming the baddie of the week…is this a connection to The Shakespeare Code episode? Knowing the name of your enemy gives you power over them…right? 
  2. Negotiations have not gone well. Apparently, our HOA will not allow chickens to be raised in the backyard and my husband is completely opposed to raising them in the guest room. I have accused him of hating science and the pursuit of knowledge but quite honestly I’m relieved. I really didn’t want to be responsible for cleaning that mess!  
  3. Very interested in hearing about this opportunity with this bank in Cambodia. 😂 .

The Game Plan

  • Next week we finish Series 8 with the two-parter finale in Episodes 11-12: Dark Water and Death in Heaven
  • After that, we have a Classic Who Rewind episode covering the Seventh Doctor adventure Remembrance of the Daleks. This is Season 25, episodes 1-4.

Closing

Noobs and the Whovian is a production of Master Closet Studios, where it’s always smaller on the inside. Your Senior Producer is Austin Reason. Our Audio Engineer is Tripp Reason. Corbin Reason is our Production Editor. Special thanks to tardis.wikia.com for the trivia, and to Jared for the Classic Who Connection. Shout outs to Victor, Jared, and James for their Patreon support.

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